Friday, July 6, 2007

shove fest

Had a bad session this today lost about 70 . It felt like everybody was playing back at me today and i did not help that i never had a hand. I literally raised had ak and aq 9 times could not flop a pair or a draw. This whole month so far i have not made any progress i will win some one day then lose it a couple days later. I do not feel like i am making bad plays but i am probably missing something. I am doing a sweat session in a few days if anybody else wants to do one let me know my aim name is liquigas66. Every overpair i had today i lost with maybe i need to look at how i play them at certain spots. I have won at this level before for 3 months i had winning months i still had losing days but nothing like this. Maybe it is just varience i am not sure if anybody sees any noticable leaks let me know.

Hand 1: http://www.pokerhand.org/?1240071
Nothing i can do in this spot i guess you could fold. But i think he does this with more than just a set. Plus he stacks off with queens there without hitting his set. Kinda unlucky in my opinion. But i would like some responses on it. I was mad after this hand the guy slowrolled like a bitch he hit the time bank and almost let it run out before shoving.

Hand 2: http://www.pokerhand.org/?1240083
I usually do not stack off with a hand like this but since it was a blind war. The guy had cold called all my raises previously and raised or shoved me. I do not think i can fold against him every time. If he has aj,a10 he would still stack off here.

Hand 3:http://www.pokerhand.org/?1240095
Another queens hand i think stacking off with queens in alot of situations is bad. I do not remeber when i stacked off with queens and was in a good spot. How does everybody else play this spot. I knew the guy did not have a big hand preflop because he limped all his big pairs. So when he shoved i was surprised i was not to sure what he had. I think i should have folded everytime i have seen i big shove like this it is always a big hand.

5 comments:

michaeyk said...

Hand 1: AA, KK would have raised preflop and this not a likely line for JJ w/ Q on board. This leaves the sets, huge straight w/ flush draws, and weaker draws. Best case you're against a flush draw or AQ, but you have 2 of the As. I wouldn't feel bad folding AA here.

Hand 2: After he raises you on the flop, I don't think you're going to push him off his hand very often. I would just try to see the river cheaply. Giving him a free card is fine here. In general, I don't like to build huge pots w/ just TPTK.

Hand 3: Here I would just go with it. Unlike hand 1, there's plenty of holdings that you beat. AT, KT, JJ, flush draws, straight draws, etc. Same reasoning as in hand 1 , AA and KK are unlikely.

Sweat session sounds good. Just email me w/ times that are good for you. michaeyk@gmail.com

chris said...

Thanks on the comments yeah i overvalue overpairs in place i should fold. I think that is a big leak in my game.
hand 2 i tottally agree with you i think i was tilting alittle bit in this session. I think i should have check called turn and folded to a river bet. I just could not get anything going in this session and said i got top pair i am not folding. Which is really stupid on my part i seem to tilt when i can not make a hand.

Graham said...

Hand 1) I'd need more info on the villian, but generally at these stakes I'm never folding here. Tons of people at $25NL are stacking off with any queen here. But I could fold it with a read of some sort.

Hand 2) tough spot. I actually like 3-betting the flop and the folding to a shove. He could be min-raising any ace here.

Hand 3) yeah, you'll just have to stack off here.

Marc said...

I'm OK with the first hand, and I'd be OK with folding too, I guess. Pot is giving you about 3:1, and although this looks like a set, there's enough chance IMO he does this w/KQ or AQ, or even hearts. It's actually not a bad play for a set because I don't think a set would normally play it that strong. At least someone who would normally play a set like that probably also stacks off with lesser hands you beat, too.

Hand 2: I don't mind this play either given the read. I don't think you'll see the river cheaply given his turn bet, and it would also be OK if the turn checked through. It's too bad you stumbled into his monster, but you're right if he's playing back at you like that, you've got to make a stand, and this isn't a bad hand to do it on, as he will figure you for playing it much looser in a blind war.

Hand 3: Yeah, I think you can fold this...I am slowly learning my lesson the hard way too about stacking off with overpairs. Here, even if you're ahead, he could be doing this with a big draw that could even have more pot equity than you.

Pistol said...

I hate all three of these hands.

First hand, he raises and you 3 bet, he calls. One thing that you got to start thinking about, and other's that have responded to your post, is that a villains 3bet calling range is going to be narrower then his raising range. so while he might raise X amount of hands, he is only calling 3-bets with Y amounts of hands. With that said lets look at some exaples.

lets say his original range is 22+, ATs+.Ajo+ when you 3 bet his range goes down. he probably still calss with all pairs for set value, but h e probably folds AT+, except for maybe AK.

When the flop comes down, we can probably discount KK as he probably would have 4 bet preflop.
so hands that beat us that are in his range are 88,TT,QQ,

hands that we beat that are still in his range are AhKh, KK (unlikely) JJ (unlikely) KJs Maybe.

Bottom line is if we are ahed it is probably not by much, and with no read i dont want to start the session down 1 buy in. Most people who say he can have any Q here need to stop and think.

"what hand does he call a 3bet that contains a Q?"

hand 2 after the flop minbet, get to showdown as cheaply as possible, and possibly fold if the board gets to scary. Your turn c/r accomplishes only one thing: bloating the pot with a marginal hand. YOu have a very good hand in terms of showdown value, but a very poor one in terms of how much money you are trying to get out of villain, especially on such a coordinated board.

Hand 3, since you are in the sb and are going to be OOp fort the rest of the hand, you need to rasie a littme more preflop. Other than that i probably stack off here to.'

Good luck,

Pistol